Discussion thread for The Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories - Lecture #6
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Discussion as part of our Study Group.
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Discussion thread for The Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories - Lecture #6
Discussion as part of our Study Group.
Background for the lecture
Anatomy of nervous system - the interpretive structure distributed throughout the body.
Story like structures to interpret the world.
Hemispheric specialization for chaos and order.
Fear of having some unknown disease or condition.
Preserving the underlying structure while having random mutation.
Mental Illness or suicidal people - Complexity management problem - your life has become beyond your abilities.
Depression when you ran into chaos and don’t know where you are.
<< Wrong story >>
Generating new things out of chaos - water as a symbol of chaos.
World creating force continually confronts the chaos.
Mircea Eliade - things fall apart on their own. They are sped by man’s sins.
Doing things they shouldn’t do that you knew seconds before that you shouldn’t do.
Not attending to things you know you should attend to.
Things to attend to announce themselves with negative emotion.
Not confronting the dragon only make it larger - you might get killed if you fight it but you will definitely killed if you don’t confront it.
How to manage all this complexity ?
Your body is the first line of defense then comes a social structure.
Routine - 70% of the things we do are repeated everyday.
Drift because of isolation.
World is too complicated to organize on your own.
Alice in the Wonderland - In my kingdom you have to run as fast as you can just to stay in the same place.
Exercise: Make a list of things you are currently ignoring that you shouldn’t.
Now select the most vital ones and start working on them bit by bit.
Narrow down and be very specific about what the problem is.
Reduction of a complex problem to a uni-dimensional issue (postmodern).
We all get molded by the tyrannical force of culture.
Don’t sacrifice more to the group than you are supposed to.
Pressure of conformity.
Human as a navigator in the world - How to organize your life so that things work out for the best ?
Where you are precisely ?
If you don’t know where you are you need to go over your past and figure that out.
Challenges
You subconsciously may not want to know where you are.
If there are things that keep bothering you that are older than 18 months than potentcial is still trapped in the past.
Stress temporarily goes up when people do this.
Body encounters the world in stages.
Where are you going ?
Exercise: Nobody ever sits down and say justify your existence.
Defend you plan - why do you think it’s not the plan of a fool ?
What’s good about you and what needs some work ?
Carl Jung - Story
Someone else’s story - you only get to live a bit then.
Story you don’t know. You might be living a malevolent tragedy.
Why keep yourself in the fog ?
Once you decide where you want to go:
You have to work hard to get there.
You know when you are not on track and you need to change your behaviour or the plan. Former is painful.
What happens if you don’t know where you are going ?
You biology will come up with a plan for yourself.
No king at the top - impulsive/emotional reaction rules.
Who should be this king ?
How do you define a goal ?
Once you decide a goal all the objects you encounter belong to 3 categories.
Tools - that can help you achieve the goal.
Obstacles - Things that get in your way.
Irrelevant things.
Chaos is hiding here.
<< What if things you consider not relevant contains the key to the problem you are trying to solve. >>
Why aim for the highest goal possible ?
Because it’s worth it and alternative is meaningless suffering.
Make something of yourself that so that all this suffering is worth it.
Exercise: Come up with your goals for next 3 to 5 years.
How to navigate ?
Helping someone - specify the thing you want them to do at highest resolution possible.
Telling a child to clean up the room is not enough you need to tell him/her how to do it ? e.g.
Pick up this teddy and put in cupboard.
Pick up the pillow and put it back on bad and so on…
How to destroy someone ?
In the slide 4, attack the highest possible role rather than criticize the highest resolution action.
<< Apply so well at workplace, the more competent someone gets the more you can just specify things in lower resolution and they will figure it out. >>
Don’t assume total malevolence and stupidity on part of other people.
Structure should be subordinate to the process that generates and maintains the structure - attention and honest speech.
What happens when you encounter an anomaly while pursuing your goals ?
An opportunity of contemplation.
How do you frame the chaos ? ←— This is the flood.
What is the anomaly made of ?
When you go down into the underground that is beneath everything that you relied upon - you will find information there.
If it doesn’t kill you or make you wish you were dead -> You can put yourself “in formation” with that new information.
What if you got exactly what you were aiming for in the sense that maybe some part of you was aiming for failure and self-destruction.
How to avoid catastrophic failures and descent into complete chaos ?
Exercise: Be aware and notice things. When things go even little bit wrong fix them.
Story of Noah - Giants of the earth
Human knowledge builds up over time by the small contributions of many. Hero or the Giant is the amalgam of all these many people across history.
Prevalent of flood stories across many different cultures/parts of the world.
What’s the cause of these floods (in a psychological sense and not literally) ?
Sins of man and decrepitude of the world.
Sins of commission
Sin of omission
A mysterious being will wipe you out if you continue to act on your wayward ways.
Exercise
Find out things you know are wrong but you still do them. Try to stop.
Find out things you know are right but you don’t do them. Try to do them more often.
Mesopotamians would do this exercise where they will take the emperor at New Year and ask him what mistakes he made.
Exercise Try to predict what measure flood in your life could wipe you out.
How to sort out your relationship ?
Sort out your interactions.
E.g. When you come home that’s like 5 minutes interaction. Discuss with them and make it better.
The more interactions you sort out the better.
Start maintaining them when your start noticing emotional distance. Don’t wait for things to get worse.
When you live with someone else you don’t know what to expect and what they want ?
Time Management
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