2017-12-16: Bible #3, Maps of Meaning #3

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https://discuss.bevry.me/t/bible-lecture-3/38

https://discuss.bevry.me/t/maps-of-meaning-3/24

podcast

What were your biggest takeaways from this week?

  • Falling down into the underground and road to recovery.

    • After traumatic experience your hypothalamus shrinks and amygdala enlarges.

    • Dr. Phil interview about PTSD.

    • Living in an environment that is continuously physically endangering you. The impact this has on your growth.

  • Importance of diverse range of experiences.

    • Identity as a placeholder for diversity.

  • Being truthful

  • Dangerous of chasing goals without introspection.

  • Relationships: Agreeable person in a relationship engaging in self-censorship by expressing only the parts of yourself that the other person accepts or wants.

  • Don’t program yourself to be a victim because predators looks for them.

    • Developing the monster inside you and using it for good.

    • Kids these days are no longer allowed to develop this.

    • Roger Penrose

    • How to build defenses against emotional abuse/insults ?

      • Bullies are basically playing a game.

        • Develop defenses by succeeding at a different game maybe becoming strong intellectually.

        • Change the game or

        • Not play the game at all.

        • Words are violence that I commit against myself. Worlds → Cognition → Hurt. You have control over your cognition.

          • Modifying your cognition to use abuse to push even harder at achieving your dreams.

        • Improving our emotion resilience by improving your physical fitness.

        • Cutting and crying - also cry for help - others can help you

        • Importance of comedy in building resilience where we are able to laugh at different/weird aspects of society.

          • Terence McKenna

          • Two types of stories/movies - Tragedy/Comedy

            • Tragedy (as defined by being where you don’t want to be) is not really a tragedy to me at least (Sumit).

              • Everyone is getting the same ending i.e. die. We didn’t chose to be born but we can choose how to live and die. Albert Camus real question is whether to live or commit suicide ?

              • There is something good about a man who had the guts to confront the dragon (and die). Because he is where he wants to be. Would you follow your dream and go where want to go (even if mostly likely ending was you die), to me not doing this is tragedy ?

        • Church as a support group.

        • Idea of heaven as potential possibilities for this world.

          • We are either headed to armageddon and the best possible world - we have to keep improving it.

        • Is it ever justified to kill yourself ? (Need to complete this after rewatching the recording at some point - too long discussion)

          • Kill yourself because of Vegetative State/Other Physical disabilities - justified ?

            • Or Let someone else do it.

          • Killing your wife/children when foreign army of rapist/murders is at the door.

          • Killing yourself in general situations.

  • If you want to stop yourself from doing bad things in moments of opportunity (if you could get away with it) - accept that you are capable of evil and come up with a moral framework.

  • The thing you most need to know will be hidden in the place you least want to look.

  • Importance of letting people with extreme opinions have a voice rather then censouring them.

  • What is it with the obsession people in west have with building a welfare state ? Whatever happened to self-reliance ?

    • Some people just promote/implement their bad ideas under the guise of making this world a better place.

      • I’m perfect and this world around me needs to change vs Improving yourself first.

discussion notes

bible #3

  • The idea of memes - Selfish Genes.

    • Genes that are fighting for reproduction.

    • Needs more discussion on how religious ideas/memes can have an impact on evolution.

      • Consciousness adapts to the world around it based upon its thoughts or

      • Consciousness has tapped into something…

      • Do we create the meme or meme creates us ?

    • Ideas are fighting for reproduction in people’s brain.

      • Dawkins focused more on conscious ideas.

      • Jung: Unconscious dream integrating with the one of society.

    • Bodies are the vehicles of the genes.

      • Genes are competing with other genes and the bodies they acquire are competing with each other too.

      • Whatever external body they have acquired wins the competition stays.

      • With humans the battle of evolution entered the mind.

    • Can AI become sentients because they are possessed by memes ?

    • You don’t need a conscious control over your body for it to function.

  • Historical man utilized religion to survive.

  • Idea of God as a pre-existing structure.

  • Left handed vs right handed.

    • One side is dominant even if you can use both hands.

    • Learning how to write with left hands also.

    • Why left-handed people are demonized ?

    • Pre-literate people identified left-handedness with how people used tools.

  • Struggling with information overload.

    • Want to learn as much as you can but it’s impossible these days.

  • Why Peterson is getting so much attention ?

    • He thinks/speaks archetypical ?

      • Circumstances in the world are such that a lot of people need to hear it.

    • He also has moral authority in the time where there is corruption left and right.

    • He is addressing topics that are ignored in modern western culture or kind of looked down by ultra-rational secular people. He has credibility.

      • He speaks of mystical things in more scientific/sophisticated terms so that modern people are able to consume it as opposed to some lowbrow person talking about these things. In the later case people would just dismiss these ideas.

  • How humans generate knowledge ?

    • Stoned Ape Theory: Humans eating mushrooms or hallucinogens. They amplify your ability to experience.

    • Dream is the right hemisphere trying to figure out what happened throughout the day.

      • Trying to make sense of realized and what went wrong.

    • Deja-Vu feeling inside a dream and recurring dreams.

  • Human body is just infested with bacteria.

    • We evolved together ?

    • Bacteria communicates with each other electrically.

  • Free Speech in West

    • Difference b/w disinviting someone or not letting them speak.

    • Was it wrong of JBP to disinvite Faith Goldy ?

  • Couple of hours of discussion on race, eugenics, discrimination, welfare society.

    • Is it ok to build a society based upon genetic markers and exclude people who don’t have those markers ?

    • What is the test a country should use for immigration or you should just let anyone in ?

@ExplorerSumit’s talking points

  • What is logos ?

  • How to spell these words ?

  • Why Peterson is so popular ?

  • Free Speech

    • Progressives these days seem to be engaging in some kind of religion where they are always going after non-believers and trying to convert others to their way of looking at things.

    • Abstracting the idea of virtue from particular specific culture.

    • Not possible for people to build true relationship without both being virtuous.

  • Islam have a big problem because people like JBP are killed, and that’s it. How do you have a change in situation like that ?

meaning #3

  • Character Mallory in the FountainHead

    • Signs Movie, La Dolce Vita, The Seventh Seal

    • Society is hard on people who are trying to do work that is great but politically incorrect.

  • Do you ever look down upon previous version of yourself (something like I was such a p*ssy back then) ?

    • Looking at yourself as a shell of who were you previously (now that all your passion is gone and you are now destroyed).

    • Getting back on your feet takes a lot of work.

  • If you brain is organized to solve problems and you don’t exercise play circuit of the brain.

    • Everything tends to seem as a problem and you are trying to solve it all the time rather than enjoy the moment.

  • Not knowing who you are but only knowing who you want to be.

    • You realize later that who you wanted to be was not grounded in who you are supposed to it.

    • If you want your ladder to be against the right wall then you ought to know yourself better.

  • Is doing good just because you are scared of God is a good thing ?

  • If you tell the truth that hurts people less as opposed to years of deception.

  • Expression only the parts of yourself that the other person accepts or wants in a relationship.

    • Trying to have an honest conversation about this stuff.

    • Game: Catherine (allows you to make morally questionable decisions in relationships and test yourself).

    • Shame based culture in Japan.

  • Predator looks for victims.

  • If you want to stop yourself from doing bad things in moments of opportunity (if you could get away with it) - accept that you are capable of evil and come up with a moral framework.

  • It’s very important to let right-wing people have a voice, that way we get to understand where they are coming from and we can come of a conclusion.

    • Suppressing them would just mean the stress will build up underground and so many moderates would move to more extreme positions.

  • The thing you most need to know will be hidden in the place you least want to look.